How To Get A Book Deal – The Accidentally Epic Series

Here’s a list of all the pieces in the accidentally epic how-to-get-a-book deal series based on advice from published authors to a wannabe (that’s me!):

The how-to-get-a-book-deal piece, in full:

How to Get a Book Deal. An Evolutionary, Biblical Approach. (This Is Why I am a Writer And Not a Scientist.)

The How To Get A Book Deal Interviews, with:

* I also did phone-interviews with Josh Hanagarne and Gretchen Rubin but get very, very sad when I think about doing more transcription

**My phone interview with Gretchen Rubin – in which she gave me some personal advice that really landed with me – inspired me to be a little nicer, online. Gretchen Rubin is my Jiminy Cricket.

Guest Posts at Write To Done (that triggered this whole series):

Guest Post at Write to Done: How to Get a Book Deal: Part 1 – Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

Get Thee A Blog, and A Big One: Guest Post At Write to Done

How To Get A Book Deal: 13 Questions with Zen Habit’s Leo Babauta

1. Are you a bookie?

(as in: “lover of books”, not trading in questionable money “loaning” practices. I’m not implying anything.)

Leo Babauta: Unquestionably. I’ve been in love with books for three times as long as I’ve been in love with my wife, and nearly as intensely. A good book isn’t just reading a story, it’s a relationship between you and the author, between you and the characters, between you and the physical pages of the book.

I count reading a good book up there with sex, running, good conversation, and spending time with my family as among the absolute best pleasures in life (not in that order).

2. Was writing a book a long-held, secret fantasy of yours?

Leo Babauta: Of course. It’s the secret fantasy of anyone who writes. That it became realized is flabbergasting.

3. Danielle LaPorte said in a firestarter that her smokin’ hot blog is about finding her people, creating a community, and she hopes that when the time comes, her book will be a best-seller.

Tim Feriss, I’m pretty sure, articulated (and did!) the same thing only with a less poetry and fewer dreadlocks and holy hassenfeffer* has that worked out something fierce for him.

Penelope Trunk, on the other hand, loves her blog because it gets her free fancy laptop bags and certain naughty acts but thinks that writing a book is a time-sink.

Which brings me to my questions:

Which came first, the idea for your blog or your book?

How did your blog help you get the book deal?

Which is your favourite child?

Leo Babauta: The blog is my baby, and will always hold a special place deep within my heart, untouched by the outside world. The book is a fantasy come true, but the blog is where I pour out my soul, where I connect with people in an ethereal but very meaningful way.

There’s nothing like blogging. You have a thought, you type it up and press “publish” and it’s out there in the world, to be used and cherished and spit upon and talked about by thousands of people, instantly. This is unparalleled in the history of writing.

4. Did you approach an agent or a publisher with a book idea or did someone approach you?

Leo Babauta: As my blog took off, publishers and agents approached me. My blog had 26,000 subscribers within the first year, so it was obvious my writing was connecting with a lot of people — people who responded enthusiastically. Small publishers and several agents approached me, and while I was excited about the idea of publishing a book, it was also a terrifying prospect.

5. Who’s your agent? Are you still on speaking terms? If I call him/her, will she confirm that?

Leo Babauta: My agent is Holly Root of the Waxman Literary Agency in New York, and she’s been wonderful. Pretty much everything you’d want in an agent: a pro, a hand-holder for a newbie like me, a therapist when my fears would surface, a dispenser of large checks.

She still talks to me, which only proves she’s an angel.

6. Did I tell you why I’m writing this piece? I want to write a book AND get it published AND I know nothing about how to do this.  Hence: How To Get a Book Deal. Anyhoo, here’s the q:

Josh Hanagarne told me that you don’t actually sell a non-fiction manuscript, you sell a proposal to write a manuscript.  Is he lying?

(He’s been known to lie for entertainment purposes so I’m fact-checking.)

Leo Babauta: It’s true. I hadn’t written a word of the book when I sold it to a publisher (Hyperion). I wrote up a proposal, and my agent shopped it around, and I signed a deal with the publisher that offered me the fattest check for a few pages of B.S.

7. What kind of research – resources read, people talked to –  did you do to prepare to write your book proposal?

Leo Babauta: I just found a few examples of proposals on the web and picked out the parts I liked best, merging them into one kick-ass document. My agent gave me some feedback on it before shopping it around, which helped.

In the end, all you really need to communicate is a) a great idea for a book and b) proof that it’ll sell (and that you can help sell it with awesome marketing). My blog was already evidence enough of both those things, so the proposal just needed to highlight that.

8. Did you consider hiring a proposal coach?

I didn’t know they existed. If they do, they are probably scammers. The info you need to write a proposal is available free online. A proposal coach would make money on the insecurities of writers, which are notoriously large and numerous.

9. So. You wrote a book proposal. Now what?

(By this I mean: did your agent shop it around? Did it go to auction? Did you go to New York and schmooze?  Tell us a pretty story. Don’t worry, I’m a lazy fact-checker.  See, for example, #6.)

Leo Babauta: The biggest change that happened to the proposal before my agent shopped it around was that she asked me to change the title. It was originally “Haiku Productivity” which was supposed to focus on setting limitations to be more effective, but the consensus in her office was that it sounded too Eastern and would be confusing to publishers. So I was disappointed because I thought Haiku Productivity was a rockin’ name, but looking back I think it was probably a smart move.

She shopped it around and immediately we had a few publishers interested. Hyperion’s editing and marketing folks wanted a phone call with me, so we set that up and they seemed to like me. They put in a bid and it was the highest, so I went with them.

10. Is Erin Brockovich your hero? That’s not really the question.  That is called foreshadowing. Let’s go EB for a minute and talk numbers:

“How ’bout this for a number? Six. That’s how old my other daughter is, eight is the age of my son, two is how many times I’ve been married – and divorced; sixteen is the number of dollars I have in my bank account. 850-3943. That’s my phone number, and with all the numbers I gave you, I’m guessing zero is the number of times you’re gonna call it.”

Still with me? Your book deal is signed.  Visions of spectacular, over-sized but truly, madly, deeply deserved cheques are dancing in your head…

What figure is on that cheque?

Leo Babauta: Honestly, I would have taken the deal for M&Ms (peanut), because all I really wanted was to get published. The blog was already paying the bills. But the amount on the check was $80K. Well, not actually — I got half upon signing the contract and another half upon submitting the manuscript, and my agent took 15% of each check.

11. HOLY HESSENFEFFER*! You got THAT much?! Clearly, it was time for the happy dance…which brings us to the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION:

What were your dance moves?

Leo Babauta: I’m big on booty moves.

12. Is there video of this alleged dance and, if so, is anyone currently blackmailing you with the footage?

Leo Babauta: The danger of mobile devices with cameras, and YouTube, is that these days anyone can take and upload video without your knowing. But such video has not surfaced, and thank sweet Jebus for that, because it would either become the next Rick-rolled video, or no one would care, and the latter would be worse.

13. What is your book called, when did it come out, and how can we get it?

Leo Babauta: The book is “The Power of Less: The Fine Art of Limiting Yourself to the Essential in Business and in Life”, and it came out on Dec. 30, 2008 and immediately hit the Amazon best-seller list. You can get it on Amazon.com, BarnesandNoble.com, Borders.com, or from fine independent booksellers everywhere.

Bonus Question:

After your book deal was signed and during the book-writing process, did your editor ever force you to sleep in her office for weeks just to get a semi-coherent draft out of you?

(It happened to Elizabeth Wurtzel, or perhaps more accurately, to her editor.  There may have been illegal substances involved.  You don’t have to answer this but please do.)

Leo Babauta: No, but I’m surprised they didn’t send an elite strike team to Guam to kidnap me back to New York (or kill me). Writers are notorious for missing deadlines but I think they’d hoped, as a productivity guru, I’d be different. That thought still makes me snort with laughter.

Bonus Bonus Question:

Anything I’ve missed that you think is important?

Leo Babauta: It was essential that I built up my audience with my blog before I tried to sell the book. Publishers get a million requests per second (about the same as the number of Google searches done per second), and you need to stand out. If you have a successful blog that has shown your potential as a writer and marketer, you have a good shot at least. If you don’t, you’d better have an AMAZING proposal.

*gratuitous Laverne and Shirley theme song reference. You know you’ve made it when you can casually work a Laverne and Shirley lyric into your writing.  Book deal, schmook deal.

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This most excellent interview with Leo Babauta – I’m delighted to know he’s bootylicious – is part of an accidentally epic series on How To Get a Book Deal.

Leo was my first interview, ever, and he gave me the sweetest feedback. So please go buy his book.

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The accidentally epic how to get a book deal series:

The how-to-get-a-book-deal piece, in full:

How to Get a Book Deal. An Evolutionary, Biblical Approach. (This Is Why I am a Writer And Not a Scientist.)

The How To Get A Book Deal Interviews, with:

* I also did phone-interviews with Josh Hanagarne and Gretchen Rubin but get very, very sad when I think about doing more transcription

**My phone interview with Gretchen Rubin – in which she gave me some personal advice that really landed with me – inspired me to be a little nicer, online. Gretchen Rubin is my Jiminy Cricket.

Guest Posts at Write To Done (that triggered this whole series):

Guest Post at Write to Done: How to Get a Book Deal: Part 1 – Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

Get Thee A Blog, and A Big One: Guest Post At Write to Done

How to Get a Book Deal. An Evolutionary, Biblical Approach. (This Is Why I am a Writer And Not a Scientist.)

You know the old saw, “if you want to learn something, teach it”?

I’ve got deep, dark nefarious plans to write a book.

But I don’t know a thing about the publishing industry. Agents, proposals, negotiating, and advances are a sexy mystery to me.

So I asked around. I asked

Gretchen RubinThe Happiness Project, Power Money Fame Sex, Forty Ways to Look At Winston Churchill, Forty Ways to Look at JFK, Profane Waste (with Dana Hoey)

Leo BabautaThe Power of Less

Danielle LaPorteStyle Statement

Erin DolandUnclutter Your Life in One Week

Josh Hanagarne - I’d tell you but I’d have to kill you…but watch him. A book is coming…ok I can’t keep a secret. Read the piece.

Chris Guillebeau – The Art of Non-Conformity (in stores Fall 2010)

I asked them: how’d you get a book deal, baby? (With variations on that theme.)

And they told me. And it was goooooood.

(You can read my interviews with Erin Doland and Chris Guillebeau, here. I’ll run the interview with Leo Babauta, tomorrow.)

The first two (of four) parts of this mammoth essay (3500+ words!) appeared at Write To Done, as

Here’s the piece, in its entirety.

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How to Get a Book Deal. An Evolutionary, Biblical Approach. (This Is Why I am a Writer And Not a Scientist.)

Want a book deal? Think your magnetic, compelling, ninja talent for the written word is all it takes?

Think again.

Now, says author/blogger/truth-telling goddess Danielle LaPorte, “two-thirds of a publisher’s decision is based on your platform”.

In other words, your blog. How famous are you? How big does your audience and ‘platform’ need to be?

“Pretty fucking huge, apparently…” continues LaPorte, who was in New York last September pimping her latest book proposal to agents and publishers, “because I just got told I’m not famous enough.”

Publishing. It is Ancient History so Study the Scrolls.

Danielle LaPorte knows a lil’ something about the publishing racket.

In a former life, LaPorte was freelance book publicist for publishing houses like Simon and Schuster and Harper Collins. Now she has a juju personal development site called White Hot Truth, a rockin’ inspirational speaking career, and a new TV gig.  And that’s not all: four years ago, she and a co-author wrote Style Statement and sold it to the prestigious Little Brown and Company for a $150,000 advance.

Back then, she didn’t even have a blog.  True story.

Bestselling author Gretchen Rubin didn’t have a blog, either, when she pitched her Happiness Project book proposal to publishers. An established, best-selling author of four books, her read on the blog/book deal relationship is a little less go-blog-go.

In publishing circles, says Rubin, “there is some skepticism about bloggers. Books and blogs are very different mediums. Can a blogger write a book that hangs together as a narrative?”

Still, Rubin’s agent encouraged her to start a blog.

“She planted seeds,” says Rubin, “and I was resistant…” Eventually, though, she started her blog, The Happiness Project, to test her thesis that novelty (new medium, the blog) and consistency (maintaining the blog and writing new content daily) are essential components of happiness.

Now, Rubin has been told that “your blog is more important than your book. Never forget that.”

Those stories – legends of non-fiction book deals signed only three to four years ago and captured without carefully cultivated venus-blog-traps – might be ancient history.

Printasauras Rex? Meet Twitter. It Will Eat You Alive. Play Nice.

It was about a two-and-a-half year process from securing an agent to it [the book] coming off the presses. Painfully long. It is totally jurassic. The publishing industry is antiquated.

Publishers have not seen the future. There are a few who are admitting that things have to change and that they are Jurassic and that the future is social media. The future is multimedia expressions of all forms of literature. – Danielle LaPorte

The publishing industry might be prehistoric, Jurassic and slow-moving, but it will follow the scent of food. Or cash.

You’ve got a blog and an email list and an RSS feed of devoted readers to whom you can announce – and pre-sell – your book? Yes, please.

Gary Vaynerchuk knows this. He also knows his worth. Vaynerchuk worked 5 days a week for seventeen months to create his cult/platform and estimates the audience for Wine Library TV at 90,000 people per episode. He has 850,480 followers on Twitter. When he mentions a wine, it sells.

Craig Haseroty, the owner Sojourn Cellars, a small winery in California, told the New York Times that “nothing has put more people on our database and sold more wine than Wine Library TV.” Vaynerchuk mentioned their wine and their switchboard lit up. In 24 hours, Sojourn Cellars answered 500 phone calls and e-mails. They sold a lot of wine.

That’s the power of suggestion. Vaynerchuk’s followers are vayniacs.

Somewhere out there, Seth Godin and Chris Brogan are smiling, knowingly.

With this kind of clout, the wine-spitting social media maestro Vaynerchuk was not likely to say “book deal? Really, ME? Really REALLY? Oh THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.”

Legend has it that Harper Studio is publishing 2.0. They’ve heard of this little thing the kids call a ‘platform’ and are willing to share the profits – and also the pain and price of promotion – with authors.

And President Bob Miller apparently doesn’t pay a penny over $100K for an advance.

What is a Vaynerchuk with a legion of devoted, possibly tipsy vayniacs to do with a price ceiling?

Blow it up.

Vaynerchuk set up shop in the Harper office.  Tweeted about The 26th Story, the Harper Studio blog. Watched, in real time, as that blog suddenly drowned in traffic.

His point: my people like me. They like my suggestions. They WILL buy my book and make all of us rich and pfooey! I throw down my handkerchief in a faux snit and laugh at your measly $100K!

(This is not a direct quote.)

The result? Gary Vaynerchuk – who casually admits that he doesn’t read books – signed a seven figure (translation for the math challenged: at least a million dollars), ten book deal with Harper Studio. His first book, Crush It, debuted in September 2009, and yeah, it did make the New York Times’ bestseller list.

And he’s not even a writer.

I know. I just died a little, inside, too.

The moral of the story? (And, I argue, the moral is not just a story because it is based on a very comprehensive, validated sample of at least three published authors, which makes it a scientific fact.)

Get a blog, rock it out, and then go get yourself a book deal.

Need a Book Deal? Get Thee A Blog, and a Big One

Newbie authors and big deal bloggers Chris Guillebeau, Leo Babauta and Erin Doland accidentally and accidentally-on-purpose hacked their way through the publishing jungle with their brain children/addictions – Art of Non-Conformity, Zen Habits and The Unclutterer – firmly in tow.

If Chris Guillebeau was forced to identify his favourite child, he’d waffle: ”I really love them both.”

But I’m going to kill them both if you don’t choose.

“I guess if I had to choose, I’d choose the blog since it allows me to reach more people…”.

Even so, Guillebeau started his blog with a book deal in mind. “It was one of the primary goals of starting my blog,” he says, “I felt like I had a message to share and wanted to write a book.” He knew that it would be “hard to break into the publishing world without a strong online presence” and so along came ”the blog and everything else I did online for nearly a full year prior to getting the book deal.”

Guillebeau has now signed a deal worth more than a handful of m&ms but less than $100K, and “in terms of the time commitment, probably reflective of minimum wage.” What the hell, Chris? “That’s OK with me, though – I feel very grateful that I can do what I love to do”. Well, okay then. You’ve got a book deal and we don’t. Thanks for rubbing it in.

Guillebeau is probably writing that book right now – likely while sitting in a plane or an airport terminal, poor baby – and expects his book The Art of Non-Conformity to be in stores September 2010.

Like Chris Guillebeau, Leo Babauta also loves his first-born best. His blog “is my baby, and will always hold a special place deep within my heart” but publishing a book was “a fantasy come true,” thanks to his blog:

As my blog took off, publishers and agents approached me. My blog had 26,000 subscribers within the first year, so it was obvious my writing was connecting with a lot of people — people who responded enthusiastically…

It was essential that I built up my audience with my blog before I tried to sell the book. Publishers get a million requests per second (about the same as the number of Google searches done per second), and you need to stand out. If you have a successful blog that has shown your potential as a writer and marketer, you have a good shot at least. If you don’t, you’d better have an AMAZING proposal.

Leo Babauta knows what he’s talking about. He has to. He has six kids to feed which is why I’m so glad his publisher advanced him $80,000 for his 2008 book, The Power of Less.

I digress.

Unlike Guillebeau and Babauta, Erin Doland doesn’t talk about her blog and her book in parental terms, but that is because she has a problem. She is “obsessed with reading and writing books the way druggies pursue their next high.”

In fact, before Doland signed her book deal, she would lie in bed at night and “stare at the ceiling and feel like I had failed to achieve one of my purposes in life.” And then, during the day, she’d bitch about it. “I wasn’t quiet about this failure…Everyone I know was well aware of my feelings of inadequacy over not yet having written a book.”

Thank goodness for her wildly popular blog, The Unclutterer, because “if it weren’t for my posts on Unclutterer.com there wouldn’t be Unclutter Your Life in One Week. My agent and editor both were fans of my writing on the website, and they wouldn’t have had a clue whom I was if it weren’t for the site.”

But they did and they do and Unclutter Your Life in One Week came out November 3, 2009.  Bulging garages and strung-out attics everywhere are detoxing as we speak.

Get Thee an Agent

Josh Hanagarne has some serious blog juju.

World’s Strongest Librarian is less than a year old, but traffic doubles each month; writing furiously helps Hanagarne muscle through Tourette’s Syndrome; ‘his people’ are icky-sticky passionate; and oh yes Seth Godin e-mailed him to say thanks but no thanks to Hanagarne’s offer to guest post.

Why was Godin’s rejection magic?

Because in Godin’s humble, genius-marketing opinion, Hanagarne’s story should be a book, not a guest post, and so he should talk to Godin’s literary agent RIGHT NOW. Seth Godin hooked Josh Hanagarne up.

This is a blogger’s wet field-of-dream. If you write it (blog it!), they will come.

The magical baseball/blogging/cornfield of publishing dreams worked for Leo Babauta, Erin Doland and Josh Hanagarne. But what if your imaginary agent doesn’t hear your frantic law-of-attraction affirmations “I will get an agent and a book deal and a sick, sick advance, I will get an agent and a book deal and a sick, sick advance” and magically appear?

Simple: Go get yourself an agent.

“This is the hardest part”, says Gretchen Rubin, who kicked it old school and knocked on doors.

So did Chris Guillebeau. Yes, even social media savvy and internet famous Chris Guillebeau had to get out there and actively seek representation.

Before his blog waged war on Alexa, Guillebeau “approached everyone I could think of and more. I knocked on doors, posted on my blog that I was looking for an agent, and asked a couple of hundred people for referrals. Some people wrote back, some didn’t, but that’s just how it works.”

Now that Guillebeau’s campaign for world domination is firmly underway, “the tables have turned and I get approached all the time. I’ve been fortunate to receive a lot of good media coverage – New York Times, CNN, Business Week, etc. – and out of that experience, a number of other people have made contact to pitch me on things.”

Recruiting representation worked for Rubin, who oozes kind words about her agent, and it worked for Chris Guillebeau. Guillebeau is utterly, completely, passionately sold on his agent, David Fugate with LaunchBooks. “He’s fantastic,” says Guillebeau, “and the book would not have sold so quickly without his great work. He also spent a great deal of time refining the proposal to make it both more marketable (which I expected) and also much better in terms of content (which I didn’t expect but greatly appreciated)”.

Danielle LaPorte would approve. When choosing an agent, she advises writers to “hold out for the love,” because, after all, “it is a potentially life-changing relationship. Your agent will be your greatest advocate. They will want to get you the most money, because, you know, they’re getting 10-15% of it, so they will want to get you the exposure.”  Not only that, but “the right agent will actually work with you to craft that book. They could be hugely influential in the finished product. They will go to the mat to you in the end on everything from price point to pub date to cover design. It is really important.”

And the writer/agent chemistry doesn’t have to be interpersonal-clicky-butterflies love.

“It may sound contradictory,” admits LaPorte, “but you and your agent don’t need to see eye to eye on the material. You need to have free reign with your voice. An agent can be philosophical opposition and still go get you a good deal and help bolster your career.”

How did she find her agent for Style Statement?

The answer makes for a great story. Malcolm Gladwell (yes! Malcolm Gladwell! Poet-wooing, point-tipping, intellectual whodunit-spinning, best-selling, Malcolm Gladwell!) makes an appearance.

Like doorknockers Chris Guillebeau and Gretchen Rubin, Danielle LaPorte found an agent it an old-fashioned way. She read books.

In The Tipping Point, Malcolm Gladwell “profusely, adoringly thanked his agent” whom, he argued, should be the “next president of the United States or at the very least the CEO of Microsoft.” LaPorte thought, “she’ll do” and e-mailed Malcolm Gladwell.

(Duh! Who wouldn’t?)

LaPorte put on her charming pants and danced. She wrote, “I’m Canadian. You’re Canadian. You’re from Etobicoke. I know how to pronounce Eh-toe-bih-ko. You’re half-black. I have dreadlocks. Here’s my concept. Help me get to your agent.”

He replied within two days, writing, “You’re so charming. How could I refuse?”

To recap: kissing best-selling Godin/Gladwell ass can land you an agent. If that fails, your blog is your baseball/cornfield and if you build it they will come. If that fails, try calling around, knocking on doors, writing letters (and maybe even reading books!) and asking for one directly.

But by all means, by whatever means necessary, get an agent, and a good one, and one you like (even love), because a good agent will help you write and sell a great proposal.

And that’s what you sell, when you hawk a non-fiction book: a proposal. So the agent/author/proposal triangle is important.  Get all the angles right.

Write a Divine Book Proposal

Ah yes, the book proposal. If you’re writing non-fiction, you sell a proposal, not a finished manuscript.

What is a book proposal? It is a hook, a map of the book (the table of contents), your bio, market research (ie where does this fit? Who will read it?), marketing (how will you and the publisher sell the pants off it?) and oh yes, some sample chapters to show that you really can write more than a proposal.

And now, apparently, a book proposal needs to include the weight of your platform. Who are you? How big are you? Who is talking about you? How do you talk back? How much does Alexa and Google love you?

Need help licking the proposal beast? It is easily available online and in the bookstores. Leo Babauta “found a few examples of proposals on the web and picked out the parts I liked best, merging them into one kick-ass document.” Danielle LaPorte used a template created by Linda Severson and then “when it felt right to go out of the box, I did. I am not Times New Roman. I am not double-spaced”.

Even with all the resources easily available, every single author I spoke to (LaPorte, Rubin, Babauta, Doland, Guillebeau) said that when it came time to cook up a proposal, their agent was in the kitchen, sleeves rolled up, apron strings tied, stirring the pot.  Agents are helpful critters. That’s why you should get a good one.

Josh Hanagarne found oodles of helpful proposal writing books. He would read how-to-write-a-proposal book, revise his proposal, read another book, revise the proposal, and did that, several times, until his agent said “I want you to stop reading those books.”

So, if you’re stuck, what about a proposal coach?

I put the question to our intrepid authors.

Q. Proposal Coach. Did you use or consider using one?

The answers could be characterized as follows:

A1. What is this mythical creature of which you speak?

Erin Doland: No. I didn’t even know there were such things as proposal coaches.

A2. That sounds like a scam.

Leo Babauta: I didn’t know they existed. If they do, they are probably scammers. The info you need to write a proposal is available free online. A proposal coach would make money on the insecurities of writers, which are notoriously large and numerous.

A3. Your agent is your proposal coach.

Chris Guillebeau: I thought that was the role of a good agent. The problem I see with a proposal coach is that they aren’t the ones who will pitch your project to publishers. I suppose if you’re having a hard time getting a concept together, then such a person could help, but realize that you’d likely end up doing it all over again with a good agent.

A4. Might not be a bad idea.

Gretchen Rubin: That might not be a bad idea.

So there you have it. It might not be a bad idea to get a proposal coach, if that’s your thing, but it is probably a better idea to just get a great agent who will help you write a killer proposal.

The Deal. Negotiating. You Need a Meat-Eater for This.

Back in the day, Oprah had a shark of an agent. Sort of. He’s actually an entertainment lawyer, has been called “the little-known power behind the media queen’s throne”, and Oprah herself says he’s “a piranha.”

Oprah’s piranha/entertainment lawyer is Jeff Jacobs and they met when she was looking for contract advice in 1984. Jacobs advised her to build a brand and create an empire rather selling herself as talent-for-hire. Then he helped her create Harpo.

That worked out fairly well for her.

If Oprah has a piranha, you need a shark. We’re talking about media now, not publishing, but the lesson holds.

The lesson is this: get the right agent. Then, when you’re approaching publishers, “Don’t go with your begging bowl”, cautions Danielle LaPorte, because “for an author, a book is a huge upfront investment”. (Penelope Trunk blogs that writing a book is a ‘time sink’.)

In other words: don’t be afraid to walk away.

And don’t lose sight of your art. That’s why you have an agent. Your job is the content. Do you want to write a book, or any book, or do you want to write your book?

Josh Hanagarne, for example, doesn’t want to write about Tourette’s. He wants to write a memoir of his abusive, dysfunctional relationship with Tourette’s. He wants to “write on a nerve”.

Danielle LaPorte wants to “go back hold my baby a little while longer”, and while she does that, she wonders, “if there were no agents, no publishers,” (heresy! blasphemer!) ”no twitter followers, is this the book you would want to write?”

Are Angels Singing and Monks Chanting? A little?

Is this the book you want to write? Is your agent the shiz? Did you rock out the proposal? Did the proposal-writing process make your manuscript into the book you didn’t even know you could write?  Did your publisher present your agent – who is of course the shiz and a negotiating shark (or piranha) of paleolithic proportions and origins – with a huge oversized cheque with your name written all over it? Or just an adequate cheque?  Adequate is fine. Cash may be king but books are divine.

The writers in this story may be online gurus and entrepreneurs and daily micro-publishers (what is a blog, after all?), but at heart they are bookies. As in book-lovers, not loan sharks.

Chris Guillebeau – straight up – admits that his goal, from the drop, was a book deal. Erin Doland suspects that her “friends are happier than I am now that I have a book under my belt simply because they no longer have to listen to me talk about it”.  Gretchen Rubin was already a best-selling author when she reluctantly started a blog that happily took over the world. Leo Babatua was so happy to get a book deal that he stopped and dropped it like it was hot. “I’m big on booty moves”, says the Zen Habits, simple-living guru, simply.

So there you have it. Want a book deal? Get a blog. A big one. And rock it out.

I know. The (snobbish, print-loving) writer in me just died a little, too. Again.

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Here’s a list of all the pieces in the accidentally epic how-to-get-a-book deal series (with from advice from published authors to a wannabe (that’s me):

The How To Get A Book Deal Interviews, with:

* I also did phone-interviews with Josh Hanagarne and Gretchen Rubin but get very, very sad when I think about doing more transcription

**My phone interview with Gretchen Rubin – in which she gave me some personal advice that really landed with me – inspired me to be a little nicer, online. Gretchen Rubin is my Jiminy Cricket.

Guest Posts at Write To Done (that triggered this whole series):

Guest Post at Write to Done: How to Get a Book Deal: Part 1 – Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

Get Thee A Blog, and A Big One: Guest Post At Write to Done

How To Get A Book Deal. Thirteen Questions with Erin Doland (of UnClutterer and Author of UnClutter Your Life in One Week)

Erin Doland is the founder of Unclutterer and the author of UnClutter Your Life in One Week, which seems an appropriate book to talk about in January especially since we all know that I’m cleaning out my closets.

I don’t think Erin specifically meant to address the issue of “how to unclutter your life of random, toxic men” but I’m sure she would approve of my unique application of her advice, nonetheless. Who wouldn’t?

I digress.

I interviewed Erin for my How To Get a Book Deal series at Write to Done. (Part 1 and 2 have run already; 3 and 4 are forthcoming.)

Erin was so charming and wonderful and witty that I thought I’d publish the interview, in full.

Here it is.

How To Get A Book Deal. Thirteen Questions with Erin Doland.

1. Are you a bookie?

(I’m inventing a new connotation for that word.  In my world, “bookie” means someone who loves books so intensely that friends and family suspect that nudity may be involved.  I don’t actually mean “do you get naked with books?”. FYI. But feel free to elaborate, if need be.)

Erin Doland: I am a voracious reader. I’m obsessed with reading and writing books the way druggies pursue their next high. I’ll start reading almost anything — but finishing a book is a different story. If a book doesn’t speak to me or make me want to learn, I have no problem walking away from it.

2. Was writing a book a long-held, secret fantasy of yours?

(I suspect that Leo Babauta and Mary Jaksch [KD note: the owner and editor of Write to Done] would really appreciate it if you used G-rated words and did not digress into lavish descriptions of any other kinds of fantasies.  You have my email address for those. Feel free. Thank you.)

Erin Doland: Before I had a book deal, every night in those moments before sleep, I would stare at the ceiling and feel like I had failed to achieve one of my purposes in life. I wasn’t quiet about this failure, though. Everyone I know was well aware of my feelings of inadequacy over not yet having written a book. In fact, I think my friends are happier than I am now that I have a book under my belt simply because they no longer have to listen to me talk about it.

3. Danielle LaPorte said in a firestarter that her smokin’ hot blog is about finding her people, creating a community, and she hopes that when the time comes, her book will be a best-seller.

Tim Feriss, I’m pretty sure, articulated (and did!) the same thing only with a less poetry and fewer dreadlocks and holy hassenfeffer* has that worked out something fierce for him.

Penelope Trunk, on the other hand, loves her blog because it gets her free fancy laptop bags and oral sex but thinks that writing a book is a time-sink.

Which brings me to my questions: Which came first, the idea for your blog or your book? How did your blog help you get the book deal? Which is your favourite child?

Erin Doland: If it weren’t for my posts on Unclutterer.com there wouldn’t be UNCLUTTER YOUR LIFE IN ONE WEEK. My agent and editor both were fans of my writing on the website, and they wouldn’t have had a clue who I was if it weren’t for the site.

4. Did you approach an agent or a publisher with a book idea or did someone approach you?

(I can’t find a way to make that question sassy or entertaining. It’s all on you, now.)

Erin Doland: My agent contacted me. She read the site regularly, believed there was a solid platform for a book, and helped me develop a proposal that we shopped to editors. My editor is also a reader of the site and “got me” from the first line of my proposal. I feel really lucky to have worked with a team of people who have understood the Unclutterer message from the very beginning of the book project. I feel extremely fortunate to have another medium in which to share the Unclutterer philosophy with an expanded audience.

5. Who’s your agent? Are you still on speaking terms? If I call him/her, will she confirm that?

Erin Doland: My agent is a powerhouse and an incredible advisor. Choosing to sign with her is one of the best decisions I’ve made in my life. She’s phenomenal — Courtney Miller-Callihan at Sanford J. Greenburger. If she doesn’t have fond words for me, I might cry in a corner.

6. Did I tell you why I’m writing this piece? I want to write a book AND get it published AND I know nothing about how to do this.  Hence: How To Get a Book Deal. Anyhoo, Josh Hanagarne told me that you don’t actually sell a non-fiction manuscript, you sell a proposal to write a manuscript.  Is he lying?

(He’s been known to lie for entertainment purposes so I’m fact-checking.)

Erin Doland: Josh Hanagarne has it correct. You don’t write a non-fiction book until a publishing house signs off on the proposal.

7. What kind of research – resources read, people talked to –  did you do to prepare to write your book proposal?

Erin Doland: I worked with my agent and followed my instincts.

8. Did you consider hiring a proposal coach?

Erin Doland: No. I didn’t even know there were such things as proposal coaches.

9. So. You wrote a book proposal. Now what?

(By this I mean: did your agent shop it around? Did it go to auction? Did you go to New York and schmooze?  Tell us a pretty story. Don’t worry, I’m a lazy fact-checker.  See, for example, #6.)

Erin Doland: My agent shopped it, I had some meetings with editors, and I got offers. I picked the offer that was best for me and where I am in my writing career.

10. Is Erin Brockovich your hero? That’s not really the question.  That is called foreshadowing. Let’s go EB for a minute and talk numbers:

“How ’bout this for a number? Six. That’s how old my other daughter is, eight is the age of my son, two is how many times I’ve been married – and divorced; sixteen is the number of dollars I have in my bank account. 850-3943. That’s my phone number, and with all the numbers I gave you, I’m guessing zero is the number of times you’re gonna call it.”

Still with me? Your book deal is signed.  Visions of spectacular, over-sized but truly, madly, deeply deserved cheques are dancing in your head. What figure is on that cheque?

(Or, if you can’t tell us because then the IRS and your freeloading relatives will expect to get some, too, then just give us a range, like:

A. I got paid in M&Ms.

B. I got paid in S&M

C. Less than $100K but I’m not quitting my day job

B. $100-200K, I’m taking this interview from my new jacuzzi tub in MY NEW HOUSE SUCKA

D. $200-300K and people say blogging doesn’t make you money but it got me a book deal MUWAHAHAHAHAHA

E. More than $300K. Please don’t hate but I’m now so rich and famous that I had to head-hunt one ofGuy Kawasaki’s interns to take this interview for me. I’m surfing as we speak.)

Erin Doland: Unless you’re Dan Brown, in this economy, the correct answer is C.

11. HOLY HESSENFEFFER*! You got THAT much?! Clearly, it was time for the happy dance. What were your dance moves?

Erin Doland: I did do a happy dance. How did you know? Do you have video cameras in my house??

12. Is there video of this alleged dance and, if so, is anyone currently blackmailing you with the footage?

Erin Doland: I’ll pay whatever it takes for those videos not to be released onto YouTube. Call me. We’ll set a time and place for a drop off.

13. What is your book called, when is it coming out, and how can we get it?

Erin Doland: UNCLUTTER YOUR LIFE IN ONE WEEK. It came out November 3, 2009 and it’s available at every major retailer.

Bonus Question:

After your book deal was signed and during the book-writing process, did your editor ever force you to sleep in her office for weeks just to get a semi-coherent draft out of you?

(It happened to Elizabeth Wurtzel, or perhaps more accurately, to her editor.  There may have been illegal substances involved.  You don’t have to answer this but please do.)

Erin Doland: No. I even turned in my manuscript ahead of schedule. My agent and editor assure me that this never happens and I violated some author’s code by not asking for an extension.

Bonus Bonus Question:

Anything I’ve missed that you think is important?

Erin Doland: Writing a book is one of the hardest things I have ever done. I am extremely grateful to have had the opportunity to become a published author. Truly, truly grateful.

*gratuitous Laverne and Shirley theme song reference. You know you’ve made it when you can casually work a Laverne and Shirley lyric into your writing.  Book deal, schmook deal.

PS Erin, thank you so much for taking this interview. Just ignore my snarky footnotes. We both know I’m jealous.

PPS Everyone else: go now and buy Erin Doland’s book, UNCLUTTER YOUR LIFE IN ONE WEEK. Your closets will thank you. Your skeletons might not.

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Here’s a list of all the pieces in the accidentally epic how-to-get-a-book deal series (with from advice from published authors to a wannabe (that’s me):

The how-to-get-a-book-deal piece, in full:

How to Get a Book Deal. An Evolutionary, Biblical Approach. (This Is Why I am a Writer And Not a Scientist.)

The How To Get A Book Deal Interviews, with:

* I also did phone-interviews with Josh Hanagarne and Gretchen Rubin but get very, very sad when I think about doing more transcription

**My phone interview with Gretchen Rubin – in which she gave me some personal advice that really landed with me – inspired me to be a little nicer, online. Gretchen Rubin is my Jiminy Cricket.

Guest Posts at Write To Done (that triggered this whole series):

Guest Post at Write to Done: How to Get a Book Deal: Part 1 – Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

Get Thee A Blog, and A Big One: Guest Post At Write to Done

How To Get A Book Deal. Thirteen Questions with Chris Guillebeau.

Recently I attempted to write a pithy little post – like, say 750 words – on How To Get a Book Deal for Write to Done.

I interviewed six people and turned in a 3,200 word encyclopedia and the very nice people (Mary Jaksch and Leo Babauta) at Write to Done didn’t chastise or abuse me in any way. Wasn’t that nice?

Instead, they turned my sprawling monster of an essay into a four-part series, which has been really terrible for my blog traffic. I mean, who wants all these readers, any way?

One of the people I interviewed for How To Get a Book Deal is Chris Guillebeau, who is just about the most focused, goal-oriented and nicest guy in the whole world.

I’m so glad it is him who’s rocking out World Domination and not say, Napoleon, who attempted that already and did not fare well. I’ve been to Elba. It is very nice but I imagine a little confining for your average power mad dictator.

In addition to writing useful guides, a nifty blog, and a book, Chris also very sweetly agreed to answer thirteen questions for me. Here’s what I asked him and what he had to say.

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How to Get a Book Deal. Thirteen Questions With Chris Guillebeau.

1. Are you a bookie? (I’m inventing a new connotation for that word.  In my world, “bookie” means someone who loves books so intensely that friends and family suspect that nudity may be involved.  I don’t actually mean “do you get naked with books?”. FYI. But feel free to elaborate, if need be.)

Chris Guillebeau: I’m not sure I’m that much of a bookie, but yes, I’ve always loved books. I try to read widely and learn from everyone as much as possible.

2. Was writing a book a long-held, secret fantasy of yours? (I suspect that our audience would really appreciate it if you used G-rated words and did not digress into lavish descriptions of any other kinds of fantasies.  You have my email address for those. Feel free. Thank you.)

Chris Guillebeau: It was a not-so-secret fantasy; in other words, it was one of the primary goals of starting my blog. I felt like I had a message to share and wanted to write a book, but I also knew it would be hard to break into the publishing world without a strong online presence. Thus came the blog and everything else I did online for nearly a full year prior to getting the book deal.

3. Danielle LaPorte said in a firestarter that her smokin’ hot blog is about finding her people, creating beauty and a community, and she hopes that when the time comes, her book will be a best-seller. Tim Feriss, I’m pretty sure, articulated (and did!) the same thing only with a less poetry and fewer dreadlocks and holy hassenfeffer* has that worked out something fierce for him. Penelope Trunk, on the other hand, loves her blog because it gets her free fancy laptop bags and oral sex but thinks that writing a book is a time-sink. Which brings me to my questions: Which came first, the idea for your blog or your book? How did your blog help you get the book deal? Which is your favourite child?

Chris Guillebeau: See above– first the book idea, then the blog– although I definitely saw the two as related. Having a good reputation as an up-and-coming online writer (I like that term better than blogger for some reason) helped me establish relationships and get people to pay attention.

As for the time-sink thing, well, I like Penelope but I have a different perspective about that. You could also say that a blog is a time-sink because very few people read the archives. I guess it comes down to whether you really want to write a book or not. For me it was an important goal by itself and not merely a marketing tool. I haven’t gone through the whole publication process yet (that comes next year), but as of right now I feel like that it was totally worthwhile and I can’t wait to do it again.

As for which is my favorite between the blog and the book, I really love them both. I guess if I had to choose, I’d choose the blog since it allows me to reach more people, but they are different animals.

4. Did you approach an agent or a publisher with a book idea or did someone approach you? (I can’t find a way to make that question sassy or entertaining. It’s all on you, now.)

Chris Guillebeau: I approached everyone I could think of and more. I knocked on doors, posted on my blog that I was looking for an agent, and asked a couple of hundred people for referrals. Some people wrote back, some didn’t, but that’s just how it works (see more on rejection below).

Ironically, now that I’m internet-famous (for whatever that’s worth), the tables have turned and I get approached all the time. I’ve been fortunate to receive a lot of good media coverage (New York Times, CNN, Business Week, etc.) and out of that experience, a number of other people have made contact to pitch me on things.

5. Who’s your agent? Are you still on speaking terms? If I call him/her, will she confirm that?

Chris Guillebeau: My agent is David Fugate with LaunchBooks. He’s fantastic, and the book would not have sold so quickly without his great work. He also spent a great deal of time refining the proposal to make it both more marketable (which I expected) and also much better in terms of content (which I didn’t expect but greatly appreciated).

In short, I’m glad I connected with David before I became better known, because now that I get a lot of pitches it’s sometimes hard to tell what everyone’s motivation is.

6. Did I tell you why I’m writing this piece? I want to write a book AND get it published AND I know nothing about how to do this.  Hence: How To Get a Book Deal. Anyhoo, Josh Hanagarne told me that you don’t actually sell a non-fiction manuscript, you sell a proposal to write a manuscript.  Is he lying? (He’s been known to lie for entertainment purposes so I’m fact-checking.)

Chris Guillebeau: First of all, good for you on your ambition. Never let anyone discourage you, especially a whiny published author who tells you how terrible the industry is. It’s true that publishers “don’t get” a lot of things, but that’s why authors and prospective authors need to take control of their own careers.

Now that I’m off the soapbox, to your question: Josh isn’t lying; that’s a correct assessment. The proposal is usually quite lengthy (think 40 pages) and includes sample material. The more sample material you have, the better– so in a way, you do write at least some of the book in advance. I only had one chapter, and in retrospect I wish I had two or three.

7. What kind of research – resources read, people talked to –  did you do to prepare to write your book proposal?

Chris Guillebeau: This is roughly the path I followed:

1) Read as much as I could, both online and in the usual proposal books
2) Wrote the best possible draft proposal, which wasn’t that great but focused heavily on why I could make the book a success with the right agent and publisher
3) Started looking for an agent, and then worked on everything else with him since he had much more experience than me.

8. Did you consider hiring a proposal coach?

Chris Guillebeau: I never knew such people existed… I thought that was the role of a good agent. The problem I see with a “proposal coach” is that they aren’t the ones who will pitch your project to publishers. I suppose if you’re having a hard time getting a concept together, then such a person could help, but realize that you’d likely end up doing it all over again with a good agent. For some people that might be beneficial.

9. So. You wrote a book proposal. Now what? (By this I mean: did your agent shop it around? Did it go to auction? Did you go to New York and schmooze?  Tell us a pretty story. Don’t worry, I’m a lazy fact-checker.  See, for example, #6.)

Chris Guillebeau: Agent shopped it around– lots of initial interest, then lots of rejections– the usual process, I think. Much of the proposal shopping is done by email and phone now; I offered to go to New York and talk with people, but heard that wasn’t really necessary these days.

I’m not sure if that’s a pretty story, but I guess the nice part came when David called and said we had an offer from Perigee, a division of Penguin. We did a conference call with them, checked with a few other editors, then made a verbal commitment with Penguin. Many weeks later (I was surprised at how slow things work), we finally did the paperwork.

10. Is Erin Brockovich your hero? That’s not really the question.  That is called foreshadowing. Let’s go EB for a minute and talk numbersYour book deal is signed.  Visions of spectacular, over-sized but truly, madly, deeply deserved cheques are dancing in your head. What figure is on that cheque?

(Or, if you can’t tell us because then the IRS and your freeloading relatives will expect to get some, too, then just give us a range, like:

A. I got paid in M&Ms
B. I got paid in S&M
C. Less than $100K but I’m not quitting my day job
B. $100-200K, I’m taking this interview from my new jacuzzi tub in MY NEW HOUSE SUCKA
D. $200-300K and people say blogging doesn’t make you money but it got me a book deal MUWAHAHAHAHAHA
E. More than $300K. Please don’t hate but I’m now so rich and famous that I had to head-hunt one of
Guy Kawasaki’s interns to take this interview for me. I’m surfing as we speak.)

Chris Guillebeau: I’m actually not sure if I can say it publicly or not. It was in the “C” category if that helps– not fabulous, but decent. In terms of the time commitment, it’s probably reflective of minimum wage. That’s OK with me, though– I feel very grateful that I can do what I love to do. After the launch next fall, I plan on traveling to every state and province in North America on my own Unconventional Book Tour to make sure it’s successful. Then I’ll write another book, and another. It’s a long-term strategy.

11. HOLY HESSENFEFFER*! You got THAT much?! Clearly, it was time for the happy dance. What were your dance moves?

Chris Guillebeau: It wasn’t “THAT much,” but I was definitely excited when it sold.

12. Is there video of this alleged dance and, if so, is anyone currently blackmailing you with the footage?

Chris Guillebeau: Not that I’m aware of.

13. What is your book called, when is it coming out, and how can we get it?

Chris Guillebeau: We went through about 30 titles and then went back to the source: it’s called The Art of Non-Conformity, it comes out in September 2010 (only 320 days to go!), and as long as you’re alive and online when the time comes, I’ll do my best to get the word out to you.

Bonus Question:
After your book deal was signed and during the book-writing process, did your editor ever force you to sleep in her office for weeks just to get a semi-coherent draft out of you?
(It happened to Elizabeth Wurtzel, or perhaps more accurately, to her editor.  There may have been illegal substances involved.  You don’t have to answer this but please do.)

Chris Guillebeau: No, for better or worse I actually haven’t had much interaction with my editor yet. She’s friendly and supportive, but I’ve gone through most of the writing process independently so far. Perhaps that will change as we finalize things and start planning the marketing campaign.

Bonus Bonus Question:
Anything I’ve missed that you think is important?

Chris Guillebeau: The most important thing for any budding author to think about is, “Why will people who don’t know me care enough to buy this book?” You have to have a very clear answer for that, backed up with as much social proof or compelling sample material as possible, in order to get publishers to pay attention.

The marketing part of my proposal was at least five pages, single-spaced. You have to think of this as a business, like it or not. Those who are able to do that will have a much easier time than those who are interested purely in the artistic side of publishing. This doesn’t mean you have to “sell out” and develop your proposal around a topic you’re not passionate about; it’s just a reality that’s better to face than ignore.

*gratuitous Laverne and Shirley theme song reference. You know you’ve made it when you can casually work a Laverne and Shirley lyric into your writing.  Book deal, schmook deal.

PS Chris, thank you so much for taking this interview. Just ignore my snarky footnotes. We both know I’m jealous.

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In addition to writing lengthy email interviews with me (and encouraging me to scale up and keep at this writing thing awwwwww), Chris Guillebeau writes really useful guides that help you in your quest for world domination (for good, of course).

(They’re so useful that I signed up as an affiliate, so if you buy one, I get a couple of bucks, too. Yay!)

As I promised during my fake mid-life crisis* last week, I read the guide on airmiles – “Become A Frequent Flyer Master” – and can report a shift.

was one of those people who didn’t sign up for loyalty cards because I didn’t want The Man documenting my cold medicine and toilet paper choices. That’s a violation of privacy, right?

Yet I have a blog called Cleavage in which I write about sex (and money, and meaning). The sex I have. With other people. Because that’s not private, at all.

This, I believe, is called cognitive dissonance. And I may have carried on not collecting air miles – just out of habit – had the Become A Frequent Flyer Master guide not pointed out (very helpfully) that with some strategic choices and a plan I can fly first class to Asia or Africa for 43 cents. Okay, maybe a few more cents are required, but you get the point.

So: airmiles. Free travel. Travel hacking. I’m in. Eff privacy. I don’t believe in privacy, anyway. (Didja notice?)

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If you’re interested in more advice like Chris Guillebeau’s about how to get a book deal, here’s a list of all the pieces in the accidentally epic how-to-get-a-book deal series:

The how-to-get-a-book-deal piece, in full:

How to Get a Book Deal. An Evolutionary, Biblical Approach. (This Is Why I am a Writer And Not a Scientist.)

The How To Get A Book Deal Interviews, with:

* I also did phone-interviews with Josh Hanagarne and Gretchen Rubin but get very, very sad when I think about doing more transcription

**My phone interview with Gretchen Rubin – in which she gave me some personal advice that really landed with me – inspired me to be a little nicer, online. Gretchen Rubin is my Jiminy Cricket.

Guest Posts at Write To Done (that triggered this whole series):

Guest Post at Write to Done: How to Get a Book Deal: Part 1 – Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

Get Thee A Blog, and A Big One: Guest Post At Write to Done


Get Thee A Blog, and A Big One: Guest Post At Write to Done

I adore Google alert. Look! Your name is somewhere! Maybe I’m a narcissist. Maybe I should go kiss my biceps in the mirror.

I just tried but I can’t find them.

So back to writing for accolades. Part 2 of my “How To Get a Book Deal” series is up today at Write to Done and features interviews with:

(I didn’t get the title of Erin’s book right in the first version of the piece. EEEEEK. Mortified. Lesson learned: do not fact-check your own pieces and do NOT ever hire me as a fact-checker. In fact, I think I need a fact-checker. A free one. I can pay in gratitude. How’s that for a job advert?)

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PS here’s the series, so far:

How To Get a Book Deal – Series (4 total)

Part 1. Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

*featuring interviews with Gretchen Rubin, Danielle LaPorte and the book publishing saga of Gary Vaynerchuk

Part 2. Get Thee a Blog (And A Big One)

*featuring interviews with Leo Babauta, Erin Doland, and Chris Guillebeau

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PPS – If you’re interested in the publishing game, then you’re in luck because storyfix is running a month-long series on getting published.

And let me tell you something about storyfix: if you’re a writer, you’ll probably like it, a LOT. It is about writing, the racket/craft, and written like an intellectual whodunnit gone good conversation. Larry Brooks has style. He also gives GREAT e-mail – so good that I was compelled to proposition him by reply e-mail. He declined. Hi Larry’s wife.

Guest Post at Write to Done: How to Get a Book Deal: Part 1 – Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

I’ve muttered about it on Twitter, I’ve muttered about it here and I’m thrilled to announce that my muttering (on this topic) is over. It is finished and my four part series on How To Get A Book Deal starts today at Write To Done.

Part 1 is called Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0. This means the whole title is

How To Get  a Book Deal. Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0.

It may have been pointed out to me that my titles are unwieldy and that I should spend a lil’ time with Copyblogger.

I digress. Part 1 features  interviews with Danielle LaPorte and Gretchen Rubin and the story of Gary Vaynerchuk, too.

OOOH THIS JUST IN:

I’ve also got a guest post up at Problogger today.  It has a much better title:

What You Can Learn About Blogging Business Models from a Hip-Hop Artist Who Used to Hustle on the Corner Just to Put Food in His Daughter’s Mouth. An Ode To Biggie, Small Business and Making Money. It’s Juicy.

I think the copywriting gods just sent me straight to hell which is okay because I like it hot.

How NOT To Interview Someone


Banana Interview, possibly by Banksy, Cans Festival London. Photo by Jo Barton.

Last night I interviewed Danielle LaPorte for a guest post I’m writing for Write To Done. A few minutes in, I thought:

wow. I am really NOT doing this right, or well.

I’m awkward. I’m a bombshell in text but shell-shocked in person, and my darlings, I bombed this interview. I was abrupt and awkward and interrupt-y. The only thing that saved it was my subject.

Danielle LaPorte gives good quote.

Two Different Kinds Of Un-journalism

Earlier in the week, I interviewed Josh Hanagarne for the same forthcoming piece. My interview with Josh went sideways, too, but not in the same way.

That interview with got wayward and unruly and sprawled across the couch like a long-legged, lazy teenager. And then it emptied my fridge and drank all the milk and after that I’m pretty sure I agreed to co-write a useless e-book or a manifesto or learn German or read Proust or have a baby or something that’s going to take a mofo lot of time.

(Note to Janette Hanagarne: There will be no baby. I don’t even like your husband like that. Swear.)

Still, I was in this interview rather than on top of it so maybe it was a win. I got good, useable, quotable stuff AND a new project. That is good. My journalistic focus, professionalism, and objectivity: not so good.

This is okay with me because objectivity is a myth at best and at worst just weak. It is pretentious – who can write without a point of view?? who would want to read that??? – and results in split the difference journalism.

Split the Difference Journalism

Arianna Huffington says that the essence of vivid journalism lies in “getting away from the notion that truth is found by splitting the difference between the two sides, that there is always truth to both sides.”

In other words: get a point (of view). Split the difference journalism is staid.

Split the difference journalism is tepid and disingenuous. It requires you to camoflage your point of view in service of our golden calfs, Critical Thinking and Objectivity. It’s crap. It’s officious. I know because I wrote some officious crap when I was trying to be objective. My review of Lessons from the Fatosphere, for example, is bullshit. Utter bullshit. “Pretty good book”, my ass.

Truth is, I loved the book. I love Marianne Kirby and Kate Harding. How could I be objective? Why should I? How is it more honest to find fault just to find fault? How is that kind of review more honest or balanced than when you make no secret of your passion or your perspective?

(Dear Readers: You MUST read Lesson from the Fat-o-Sphere. Go now and buy it.)

Observation 1. Trying to be objective and A Journalist makes me lie. I doubt this is unique to me.

Observation 2. Split the difference journalism: blech.

Observation 3. I was a mess when I interviewed both Josh and Danielle, but in two completely different ways. What gives?

Interviews. Journalism. What the Eff is My Problem?

When I interviewed Danielle, I had questions; I knew the story; I had a script; I had my journalism hat on. What could be the problem?

In short: all of the above.

I was so focussed on getting through the interview, and getting the questions answered, that I didn’t stay in the interview. I started it like it was already half-way finished. I tried to sell the house while neglecting to the basic housekeeping like introducing the piece, it’s working title, and where and when it will appear. That’s just bad manners.

What else did I do wrong? What would I do, differently and better, next time?

Oh, my darlings, I’m so glad you asked. I now have a list. It is not short but I’ll give you the short, bleedingly urgent version. I embrace public humiliation in order to save you from the same fate. How very JC of me.

How To Interview Someone Better than I Did. The List.

  1. When you’re organizing the interview, be clear about how much time you need and how much time can be offered. That way you can plan an appropriate number of questions and won’t need to rush through. Allow time to digress a little.
  2. Introduce yourself and the purpose of the interview. Give a little background. State the name of piece.
  3. Explain how you’re capturing the interview: recording? notes? photographic memory? Wishbone?
  4. Chat. Enjoy. Connect.
  5. Don’t be a slave to the script. Your interview questions are just the start. They’re there when you need them. But a really great, revealing, interesting interview results from the connection, the wandering, the digression. Follow the breadcrumbs. Eat them.
  6. Have faith that you’ll get something you can use. Don’t be so outcome oriented that you are half out of the interview before it gets going. In other activities it is called foreplay.
  7. Chat. Enjoy. Connect. Digress.
  8. Be in the interview (and the universe!), not outside of it or worse, on top of it.
  9. Fuck professional, boring, faux-objective journalism. What’s your objective in conducting the interview? To get a story so you can tell a story. Stories are based on an experience. You want your interviewee to give it up, get naked and give you great quote, so you need to go there too. Do it. Mmmmm.
The Real Story. That’s What Interviews Are About.
Once upon a time, I had a long and steamy online flirtation with a hot man. When we finally met, I couldn’t get it together. I really liked him so I couldn’t say a damn thing. It was too high-stakes. I wanted a specific outcome too intensely to relax. I got frustrated – with myself – and blurted out the great blurt of all blurts:

I wish we could just fuck and get it over with so I wouldn’t be so tongue-tied and shy.

I know. I’m classy. I understand that some people frown on sex as an icebreaker. I absolutely accept the validity of that position. Really, I do. Because the truth is, real – not sex – is the ice breaker. Real is what you need to get, to get connected.

Interviews are much the same except that I’m not looking for great sex (swear!), I’m looking for a great story.

Five $&*#ing Lessons I Learned from Being a Bad Interviewer
  1. Fuck journalism.
  2. Fuck objectivity. It is a lie, anyway.
  3. Fuck my pretensions (please).
  4. Be human. Give some love. Show up. Keep it up.
  5. Mistakes are surprisingly nutritious.

So, as a direct result of my how-not-to-interview debacles, that’s the how-to-interview list. Now, to turn back time.

Except, of course, I don’t really want to turn back time. I prefer to eat my mistakes whole which is just good advice. I did it today.

Today, I was on the other side of the interview. I was the subject. I was trying to land a new writing gig and the interviewer asked me: how are you at interviewing people?

I was honest. I got real. I said:

You know what? I cocked it up last night. Here’s why. Here’s what I learned. Here’s what I’m gonna do better next time…

(Note: I realize that some people think that saying ‘cocked up’ in an interview is inappropriate. I totally accept the validity of that position. Really, I do.)

The gig: I got it.
The guy: he loved me long time.

Real. It works. And that’s how you interview someone.

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My interview with Danielle was for an accidentally epic how-to-get-a-book deal series with from advice from published authors to a wannabe (that’s me). Here’s a list of all the pieces in that monster series.

The how-to-get-a-book-deal piece, in full:

How to Get a Book Deal. An Evolutionary, Biblical Approach. (This Is Why I am a Writer And Not a Scientist.)

The How To Get A Book Deal Interviews, with:

Chris Guillebeau (Art of Non-Conformity): How To Get A Book Deal. Thirteen Questions with Chris Guillebeau.

Erin Doland (Unclutterer): How To Get A Book Deal. Thirteen Questions with Erin Doland (of UnClutterer and Author of UnClutter Your Life in One Week)

Leo Babauta (Zen Habits): How To Get A Book Deal: 13 Questions with Zen Habit’s Leo Babauta

* I also did phone-interviews with Josh Hanagarne and Gretchen Rubin but get very, very sad when I think about doing more transcription

**My phone interview with Gretchen Rubin – in which she gave me some personal advice that really landed with me – inspired me to be a little nicer, online. Gretchen Rubin is my Jiminy Cricket.

Guest Posts at Write To Done (these triggered this whole series):

Guest Post at Write to Done: How to Get a Book Deal: Part 1 – Printasauraus Rex Vs. The Blog: Publishing 2.0

Get Thee A Blog, and A Big One: Guest Post At Write to Done