Comments on: Incomplete Pornification. A Project.

By: I am the female Bluebeard of suburban Vancouver and I am running out of closet space. | Cleavage by Kelly Diels.

Thu, 01 Apr 2010 22:09:05 +0000

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By: lovesexymoney | Cleavage by Kelly Diels.

lovesexymoney | Cleavage by Kelly Diels. — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 05:58:18 +0000

[...] like sex, yes? Porn is everywhere, our pop stars skirt the porn thing, and sex sex sex sex sex. It is everywhere except in reasonable [...]

By: Blog vs Print. We (I) Never Get Tired of This. | Cleavage by Kelly Diels.

Blog vs Print. We (I) Never Get Tired of This. | Cleavage by Kelly Diels. — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 08:03:39 +0000

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By: Valter Prahlad

Valter Prahlad — Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:50:51 +0000

@Kelly Diels,
KD: “Young people grow up in a pornified culture that paradoxically has a dearth of sexual education and so they ‘learn’ about sex from porn”

Yeah. That’s the problem (as always is ignorance).
And, before widespread porn, there were something else (barber’s calendars? Bigger brothers bragging?…)
The problem isn’t porn; the problem is, our culture lacks healthy sex education. Lacking good education, any alternative gets in the way. Porn isn’ a cause, it’s a consequence.

Untile bigots and morons will stop to bash sexuality, it will be distorted and un-educated. Porn or not.

Our oh-so-advanced culture, lacks almost totally in emotional and sexual education. We are at “barbaric” levels about that. So men and women grows learning lots about literature and calculus, and nothing about the fundamentals of life.
So they get whatever they can from media (porn included). Problem is, media aren’t meant for education, they are meant for entertainment.
Bottom line: we’re a bunch of ignorants, desperately trying to “graduate” in relationships.

By: Dave Doolin

Dave Doolin — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:21:04 +0000

@zooey – Guitar Porn: http://www.ricktoone.com/2009/06/guitar-porn.html

Q.E.D.

By: Andrew Raimist

Andrew Raimist — Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:49:05 +0000

Well, I can’t say too much (or else I go on and on without end) here. Nevertheless, this posting and the comments made me think about a link I’d posted to Facebook earlier today.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/magazine/25desire-t.html?_r=1

Here’s a partial extracted clump of text: While the subjects watched on a computer screen, Chivers, measured their arousal in two ways, objectively and subjectively. The participants sat in a brown leatherette chair in her small lab at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health, a prestigious psychiatric teaching hospital affiliated with the University of Toronto…, where Chivers was a postdoctoral fellow. The genitals of the volunteers were connected to plethysmographs —

This was one of the top ten articles of 2009 in the New York Times.

Kelly, I found you via your wonderful ‘F It’ post on ProBlogger. So glad that I did.

By: Sarita Pagita

Sarita Pagita — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 15:09:42 +0000

I really appreciate the acknowledgement around most porn being for the young dudes schlong. There’s just something about the lack of plot, bad music and closeups of areas I’d rather stayed in my imagination only that are so unappealing for me. Some of the sexiest movies for me aren’t even real porn. But I would love it if someone made good porn with a great plot, sexy lingerie and lots of hot sex. Think Secretary + burlesque + The Notebook or something along those lines.

For me, I can’t even get turned on by porn in video format, so I just opt for smutty reading instead.

By: Zoey @ Good Goog

Zoey @ Good Goog — Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:02:39 +0000

I agree with Leah that alot of us have grave concerns about porn as an industry, rather than just the product. Many vulnerable women (and men too) are exploited by the porn industry which often leads to drug use as well.

While I agree with Dave that romance novels are porn for women in a lot of ways. I think he has badly misunderstood Jane Austen if he puts her in the same category – her work is hardly naive aspirational fantasy.

By: Leah Rubin

Leah Rubin — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 22:20:49 +0000

Just to address one tiny little bit of this subject– regarding primarily your first commenter’s statement about women being annoyed or enraged by porn…

Women, I believe, as well as many men, are troubled by porn because it often leads to depersonalization, disconnection, exploitation and sexual violence. At least that’s my pov, and otherwise I’d be totally live-and-let-live.

By: Dave Doolin

Dave Doolin — Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:31:10 +0000

Porn: vicarious emotional connection.

A spectator sport. Sex a la Van Nuys.

But what about chick flicks? And romance novels e.g., “The Spymaster’s Lady.” (Which was very good by the way.) Or anything by Jane Austen.

Think about it: The Myth of the One. Millions and millions of impressionable young women emotionally handicapped by Miss Austen’s romantic fantasies.

Also, I agree with your assessment of make sexuality. It’s both far simpler (“you had me at the mashed potatoes”) and far more complex (ah… er, never mind) than either the pr0n industry or the mainstream media ever even hints at.